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It’s been another wild week. Google continues to methodically play every card they have access to, in attempt to kill cold outbound email (honstly, good on them) - most recently nuking open tracking.
This week’s post is a spicy one.
I wanted to put my thoughts on the subject of AI SDRs down on paper pixels.
There are three challenges that AI SDR companies need to overcome to achieve mass adoption:
Psychological
The most important, and most under-discussed
Rules of Engagement (aka ROE)
Playing nicely with the customer’s a) existing gtm team and b) systems/tools. Especially relevant when selling into the mid-market and enterprise.
Technological
Bear case: Churn is going to crush these companies. And, a major pothole to avoid is not burning through the entire TAM in a couple of months with high-volume AI-generated outbound.
Bull case: The tools to enable this motion (GenAI/LLMs) have never been better than right now. (It’s inevitable)
I recommend plugging in a good tune (get the energy up with some Odesza) and picture yourself in a chill space (like this secluded (a)imaginary house in the forrest).
Okay, let’s get into it.
AI SDRs' 3 Challenges to Achieve Mass Adoption
First, some context.
The first company I co-founded was in 2016 (Hexa.ai). It was an “email personalization” tool before there were 1,000 hot takes on “email personalization” on LinkedIn. Man, do I wish we had GenAI and access to LLMs like OpenAI, Claude, etc. back then. But the truth is, we were posing as “AI” when in reality, we were a simple rules-based engine. Which is what most companies posing as “AI SDRs” are today.
In any case, I like to think that Hexa.ai was a company that fits into the bucket of “being ahead of its time” (helps my ego, anyway). As Marc Andresson famously said: “there are no bad ideas in tech, only bad timing.”
In 2016, we were acquired by a company called OutboundWorks, which was a tech-enabled “outsourced sales development” shop. Back when those were really hot. People were scared of AI back then too. Though, not to the degree they are today (and imho, justifiably so).
This context is helpful. Bear with me.
At OutboundWorks, we charged $6K per month and would position as a replacement for one SDR headcount (which costs ~$90K all-in → base + salary + tools + management + ramp-time). So, for about 30% cost reduction, you can get the same results, or better. But, there is no ramp time. No churn. No sick days. They’ll never be hung-over or take vacation. And you can scale these “ai bots” up (or down) in the same way you can with AWS servers. If we book 12 meetings a month, that’s $500/meeting. If your deal size is $10K+ and your win-rate is 15%, there’s a very clear ROI. You get the picture. It was a very straightforward pitch.
And it was an easy sell. We closed $1M in annual revenue my first full month there, between just me and—the legend—Ben Sardella.
Delivering on the promise was the hard part.
1/ The Psychological Problem
Threatening status
I’ll never forget what an SDR Leader of a prominent growth-stage tech company said to me during their onboarding call (onboarding…as in, they had already paid us $18K for a 3-month pilot that renewed to a $72K, 12-month agreement!) -
“Good luck. But I’ll tell you now, this isn’t going to work.”
At that moment, it was immediately clear to me. Our success threatened this woman. If our AI automation succeeded, it would replace about half of her headcount — she would lose 30 reps.
She would lose status.
This is the number one problem with “AI SDRs”. It is not a technological problem. The technological problems are being solved, and quickly (more on that later in this post).
The problem “AI SDRs” need to solve is one of psychology. It’s a positioning problem.
Augment or Replace? That is the Question
Said another way: Should you use GenAI to build an AutoPilot or a CoPilot?
Outreach.io always did a great job of saying “we make you 30% more effective.” They could just as easily say, “you can replace 30% of your SDR Team if you use us.” But they never said it this way. By design (I suspect).
“AI SDRs” are no different. They threaten SDRs (obviously). And maybe more importantly, they threaten management. A founder or exec may be more ruthless about replacing humans with technology, for a fraction of the cost. But, there is a cost to this decision — a political cost. Is it one worth paying? At some point, for many, I think the answer will be “yes.” And many are trying these AI SDRs today, because everyone is coming around to the conclusion that the old model of outbound sales is dead.
Once AI SDRs become objectively as effective as the top 1% of SDRs, deploying digital workers (AI SDRs) will be table stakes. Especially in your downmarket segments. It’s just another tool in the gtm tech stack. Another advantage over your competitor.
2/ Rules of Engagement (ROE)
It’s easy for a startup founder to fill out their ICP and Key Buyer Personas (titles) and build out some basic messaging and hit ‘go’ on an AI SDR.
The real problems arise when you have several (or dozens, even hundreds) of sellers who are working accounts, and the AI accidentally starts emailing contacts who are already in contact with those sellers. Sure, you can have exclusion lists (eg: CRM reports), but it gets messy, quickly. What about Closed-Lost deals? What about companies where the founder knows the leader getting emailed? What about <insert a dozen other common scenarios>.
Nailing ROE is critical to ensure that they AI SDR is able to truly work on autopilot mode without losing the trust of the sales team and sales leader.
Caution: don’t spam your TAM
Not all AI SDRs do this. But it’s worth calling out. You don’t want to point an AI SDR at your entire TAM and burn through it.
Kyle Coleman’s recent LI post about AI SDRs highlights this issue:
And here is another excerpt from Todd Bussler’s (CEO/Co-founder of Champify) recent LI post:
Last week I had dinner with a VP of Sales who's company just invested $50,000 in a fully automated AI-SDR program. Here's how it went (and why I think these AI SDR companies are in trouble):
At first, it was great!
The AI SDR bot booked an extra 20 meetings a month.
They were VERY excited, of course.
And then by month three...
It completely stopped working.
0 meetings.
It’s worth noting that both of these companies would be hurt if AI SDRs ‘win’. So there is a bit of bias here. But, I should also say - I really like and respect both Kyle and Todd. (You should check out Copy.ai and Champify - both incredibly powerful tools in the modern gtm tech stack). And, I think they’re right about the points they both make - modern gtm is about nuance.
At the end of the day, even if AI SDRs aren’t perfect at following ROE today, they’ll only get better from here. Which brings me to the final challenge…
3/ Technological
As I mentioned in my last post (Will AI Destroy Outbound?), Godfather Lemkin outlines a good point:
Run an AI-powered outbound set of campaigns. It’s just endless cadences, 2.0, but even more of them. Even more emails that won’t really work. Slightly better than pre-AI for sure. But 100x more of them.
Okay, so we don’t want 100x more emails that are “personalized” and “relevant” using AI.
However, I do think that identifying and leveraging the right signals can genuinely help sellers identify companies and people who will be interested in having a sales conversation if they reach out in a timely and relevant way. And this is the very promise of AI SDRs. Just, automated.
The Bear Case
Churn is going to crush AI SDR companies in the short-term. Maybe not in the first 6 months or even 18 months (they’ll be able to replinish so many customers it won’t matter). But come month-24, they’re going to be scrambling to find customers who stay with them, and, better yet, pay more money to them over time.
I’ve seen this first-hand.
The Bull Case
I want to end this post on a note of optimism. Because, probably a lot of builders are reading this. And building is really damn hard.
Also, because I think there’s a world where technology (AI) *can* improve the world as it relates to modern go-to-market orgs. A more efficient marketplace of potential buyers being connected to sellers and the right solution is a net-positive in my book.
Entrepreneurship is neither a science nor an art. It is a practice, fueled by optimism and vision.
– Peter Drucker
There are countless examples you’ve probably seen, or I can show you, where the technology is getting significantly better. I’d argue that what an LLM can do today is better than the bottom 10% of SDRs out there today. And these technologies will only get better from here.
There has never been a better time to be building in the space of AI and automation around go-to-market — particularly for the pipe gen use-case.
So, are AI SDRs inevitable? As long as those who build them can figure out how to properly market and sell them, then yes — I wholeheartedly believe there is a place for them as one arrow in the quiver of gtm arrows. Particularly in the SMB and MM segments (eg: below-the-line prospects).
And I’ll go out on a limb to say, it’ll likely happen in the next eight quarters.
Keep building, y’all.
Some content that inspired this post:
The era of the AI SDR? By Kyle Poyar
Does outbound still work? By Jason Lemkin
Are we in an “AI SDR” bubble? By Scott Martinis
This Is The NEW Outbound Playbook (+4 steps to execute signal-led outbound properly) By Florin Tatulea
How to get 60%+ open rate and 10%+ reply rate (Get your emails out of SPAM by navigating the ever-changing rules from Big Tech) By Richard F. Purcell
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Portals to interesting corners of the internet that I explored this week:
$100M Offers: How to Make Offers So Good People Feel Stupid Saying No. By Alex Hormozzi. This guy is pretty
cringeshameless at times (like Gary V). But 1) so am I, so I can’t judge and 2) he’s very successful, so there are things I can learn from him. This book is worth reading if you’re thinking about how to build out your offer that is differentiated in the market (only 5ish hours on audio).Oldie, but a classic tweet thread that I re-read this week: How to Get Rich (without getting lucky)
Some real nuggets of wisdom from the absolute legend, Kevin Kelly.
Super helpful learnings from Nico, CEO of Default (founder-seller, who has now hired a couple of reps) building in the gtm tech space. #1 on the list (warm intros will kill your startup) is incredibly important and under-discussed.
New essay by PG dropped over the weekend — it has taken over X. (Jokes aside, it’s an awesome read: Founder Mode.
“Code is no longer a moat” → Cursor + Claude goes viral on X.
Muscles are built on the days you don’t want to work out.
-anon
That’s all for this week! Thank you for reading. Your attention is greatly appreciated.
See you next time,
Brendan
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Love this take, and agree that automated SDRs were too early in 2016 ;)
A thought that might bridge the gap between the real problem of exhausting the TAM for a target market and the psychological block of GTM operators not wanting to give up the controls of what they do ...
What if the best use case for an AI SDR is an edge case? Hear me out ...
What do these have in common?
- SQL deadwood (closed lost)
- Unexpected patterns for niche customers (narrow targeting, long tail match, etc)
- Researching potential customers about to switch from other providers
These are all research-intensive tasks with little present value, **until they find a customer**
Since AI/LLMs do not get tired, use them to:
1) reach out in a programmatic way to cold, previously qualified customers (e.g. + 180 days past cycle)
2) analyze current sales qualified leads and suggest alternate ways to find potential leads, propose a low-volume experiment and report back with the results (and search terms)
3) keep a "top N" list of the top 100 customers you would like to get if you knew when they were about to switch from their current providers